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Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor m606paz » 01 Feb 2010, 22:25

Encontre estos codigos para fabricar el verde oliva del willys MB , asi como el Azul con el cual se pintaban los numeros en la carroceria.

Jeep Willys MB 1942

Dicas para restauração



Com o objetivo de facilitar a restauração de um Jeep ou outra Viatura Militar da Segunda Grande Guerra, publicaremos neste espaço algumas dicas para a realização do trabalho.

Tinta WWII Olive Drab

A obtenção da tonalidade correta (ou próxima desta....) não foi uma tarefa fácil. Foram analisadas amostras de tintas para plastimodelismo de fabricantes como Tamiya e Testors. A opção foi pela amostra da Testors (1265 Flat Olive Drab). A partir desta amostra foi elaborada a tinta automotiva com a tonalidade correta.

A tinta escolhida foi a PU (poliuretano), uma tinta bi-componente, utiliza catalisador, extremamente resistente e que permite um bom acabamento. Como fator negativo esta tinta apresenta um custo maior em comparação as tradicionais. Aqui foi encontrado outro problema: quanto maior a quantidade de aditivo fosqueante adicionado a tinta, menor é a sua resistência. Foram feitas amostras de tintas de diversos fabricantes, e a que obteve o melhor resultado foi a da Glasurit - Basf, linha: 022.

Tinta PU - Fabricante: Glasurit - Basf - Linha 022 (quantidades para 01 litro)
Base Quantidade (g)
M 060 54,5
M 974 183,4
M 000 246,7
M 077 306,8
M 043 321,0
A 168 364,2
M 006 382,2
M 030 388,3
522300 707,9

Observação: após a tinta catalisada, adicionar 10% do volume produzido de Aditivo Fosqueante (522300). O catalisador da Tinta PU deve ser na proporção de 2 para 1 (02 partes de tinta para 01 parte de catalisador).



Tinta WWII Blue Drab

A tinta para pintura dos Hood Numbers em Azul Fosco tem sua fórmula descrita a seguir. Os Hood Numbers eram pintados em azul quando os jeeps saiam de fábrica e com o passar do tempo, no campo de batalha, quando o jeep sofria uma re-pintura este número era pintado em branco fosco.

Tinta PU - Fabricante: PPG - Linha Global/Deltron (quantidades para 1/4 litro)
Base Quantidade (g)
D 755 1,8
D 740 51,1
D 776 201,7
D 753 1.107,3

Observação: adicionar Aditivo Fosqueante do fabricante. Utilizei 30% de aditivo para a quantidade produzida


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Más datos en http://www.willysmb.com.br/dicas.htm

Tal vez estos datos contesten una pregunta de Charlie en G503, sobre los codigos para preparar la pintura Blue Drab Paint!!!

Saludos 8)
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 02 Jun 2011, 21:44

y esas pinturas se consiguen acá? digo las marcas, ya que cada marca tiene sus códigos.
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 28 Jun 2011, 21:23

Chicos,
fui a hacer una muestra de la OD pero me dijeron que esta mal las proporciones esas no son para 1 litro ya que sumando todos los gramos son como 4 litros.
Alguien me puede pasar el código? asi no gasto plata al dope haciendo muestras
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 28 Jun 2011, 21:41

perdon son exactamente 2955gramos
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor charlie s. » 30 Jun 2011, 11:44

Amigos,
aprovecho este topico y pongo una foto del mago "EPDC" pintando los numeros de registracion en BLUE DRAB sobre el SLAT GRILL
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor m606paz » 30 Jun 2011, 12:52

Vladimir

Los chicos, compraron la pintura OD en una pintureria , aqui en la zona Norte. No se si tendran la formula, pero si , la direccion para que llames ó mail.

Yo la direccion no la tengo, cuando hable , les diré que me la pasen.

Saludos :wink:
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 30 Jun 2011, 14:28

Gracias Mariano, voy a ir a preguntar con el nombre a ver si la tienen en el sistema.

Charly que lindo que esta el Slat
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor CharlyGPW » 30 Jun 2011, 15:16

Hola Vladimir: si queres te puedo pasar la formula de PPG que hice para preparar, para mi GPW, es poliuretano y con 4 lts pintas todo el vehiculo:
http://foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?t=330
un abrazo
Charly :lol:
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 30 Jun 2011, 15:28

dale charly si sos tan amable me la podes pasar
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Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 01 Jul 2011, 16:28

Gente,
que diferencias hay entre una pintura bicapa y una poliuretano? :roll:

las cosas que estoy aprendiendo!!! :D
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor CharlyGPW » 01 Jul 2011, 22:04

Vladimir: Te cuento que no soy pintor y si alguno en el foro sabe que lo comente: por lo cual puedo entender las diferencias son las siguientes:
Pintura Bicapa: se trata de una pintura que se aplica una capa con color y despues una laca transparente o clear para proteger el color y darle brillo .
Pintura Poliuretanica: es una pintura de 2 componentes, se mescla la pintura base con color con un endurecedor de la misma y se pinta, no necesita de la laca protectora.
si me equivoco que alguien me corrija.
Te paso la formula de PPG de mi GPW, esta la prepararon en un centro de color de San Isidro, Bs.As. no se si es para todos los centro PPG.
Un abrazo
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor vladimirsinisi » 02 Jul 2011, 16:40

Mil gracias Charly!!! :D :D :D

me hicieron una muestra de un codigo que tenian en el sistema de OD pero no me gusto muy oscuro, el lunes voy a hacer el que me pasaste.

De nuevo mil gracias!!

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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor charlie s. » 29 Jul 2013, 16:08

m606paz escribió:
Fulpi escribió:Alguien podrá informarme los códigos de la pintura verde militar aplicables a los Willys MB ? Gracias.


Mario
Lee este post viewtopic.php?f=4&t=515&

Sino, lo mejor es conseguir un pieza NOS , y que la pintureria te prepare el color (y son medios reacios a darte los codigos).


Mario,
al Slat lo pinté con un color que la pinturería PINTECANAL (en el Tigre) llama, ¨¨verde militar Aragona¨¨.
A mí me gustó, pero el tema pintura y gustos es muy variado
Te posteo una foto para que veas un farol color O.D. original, colocado al lado del chasis del Slat con una mano de pintura.
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor Fulpi » 29 Jul 2013, 18:36

Mil Gracias Mariano y Charlie!!!!! :D
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Re: Olive & Blue Drab Paint

Notapor martinelterrible » 29 Jul 2013, 19:53

Evolution of the Olive Drab Paint Specification

The olive drab paint used on military vehicles at the factory, on replacement parts, and in the field depended on a number of factors. Experts on the history of military vehicle paint procurement and practices (Jim Gilmore, Fred Coldwell, Steve Zaloga, David Doyle and others) have spent countless hours in the National Archives and with the production records of government contractors such as Ford and Willys trying to ascertain the exact technical specs on olive drab paint used at various times and places. They have compiled a mass of information and have shared it in books and articles as well as personal communications or open forums.

Despite this awe inspiring research, there are still many questions that are hard or impossible to answer. After the original 1940 contract with Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPG), Lustreless Olive Drab Enamel was procured from multiple vendors. Despite rigid standards, variations crept in. As replacement parts were painted at times and places distant from the original vehicle production, variations increased. As units in the field painted and repainted vehicles for maintenance, to comply with orders as they moved from place to place, and to keep up with changing regulations, variations increased. With all the variation, it would be hard to say exactly what paint would match a given vehicle without opening a can of paint and seeing how it matched or didn't.

This table is an outline of the basics of olive drab paint standards and specifications used by the U.S. Army starting with 1940. Prior to 1940, vehicles were painted with a glossy olive drab enamel ("long oil"). Vehicles such as staff cars, metropolitan ambulances, or other non-tactical vehicles outside combat areas continued to use gloss paint after Lustreless Olive Drab became the standard. The Army Air Corps and other services had their own, different, paint standards.


Date

Shade

Authority/Reference

1940 Lustreless Olive Drab Enamel
QM Color No. 22
Corps of Engineers Color No. 9 Quartermaster Specification ES-474 (or ES-474-B) painting standards
Quartermaster Specification 3-1 Color Card Suppplement
Corps of Engineers 1942 Color Card
Pittsburgh Plate Glass Contract No. 398-QM-8694 (No. 1135) (and other manufacturers following)
Fed. Stock No. 51-E-4171-15 (one gallon) or 51-E-4172 (five gallons)
1943 Lustreless Olive Drab Specification 3-1F Color Card Suppplement (Revision 1)
Corps of Engineers 1942 Color Card
1943 A/N 319 Olive Drab
Lustreless, very similar to QM Color No. 22 but different chemical composition. Not commonly used for vehicles. Army Resources and Production Division
Joint Army-Navy color specification A/N 319
1944 A/N 319 Olive Drab
Improved moisture seal, slight gloss See Doyle, Appendix 2
1945 Olive Drab, Semigloss Army Regulation 850-15 1 Aug 1945
Specification 3-181, Amendment 3, Type V
Fed. Stock No. 52-E-7574 (one gallon)
1950 OD 3412 (flat) and OD 2430 (semigloss)
Color equivalent to Lustreless Olive Drab TT-C-595 Colors for Ready Mixed Paint
1956 OD 34087 (equivalent to OD 3412)
OD 24087 (equivalent to OD 2430)
OD 14087 (gloss)
34087 is not the same color as 14087/24087 an error that persisted until FS595A Change 7 in 1984 Federal Standard FS595
1960 OD X34087
OD X24087
OD X14087
Lighter and yellower than previous paints with same number. X indicates interim. Federal Standard FS595 Addendum 2
Issued by US Army Signal Equipment Support Agency
1968 OD 34087 (same as X34087)
OD 24087 (same as X24087)
OD 14087 (same as X14087)
Colors not the same as FS595 same numbers Federal Standard FS595A as revised by Change 3, 28 April 72
1984 OD 34087/24087/14087 deleted
OD 34084/24084/14084 same color as 14087 from FS595
OD 34088/24088/14088 same color as 34087 from FS595
OD 33070 (equivalent to A/N 319 Lustreless OD
OD 33070 is similar color in camouflage section Federal Standard FS595A Change 7
1989 Only significant change was 24087 which has been reassigned to an unrelated color Federal Standard FS595B

Information in this table compiled from multiple sources, but controversy continues. If you have further information to clarify or correct this table, please contact Olive-Drab.com. Note the spelling of "lustreless" -- this is the original spelling on the PPG paint chart from 1940, not "lusterless."

Color Photos of Olive Drab Military Vehicle Paint

Color photos of military vehicles in service during World War II or later periods help a little, but variation in exposure and the light when the photo was taken, plus fade due to chemicals in film, the photographic process and the passage of time make color photos very unreliable as a guide to what a color looked like to the naked eye back then. In the full size version of the halftrack photo at the top of this page, the halftrack's olive drab paint shows a number of different shades depending on whether it is in direct sunlight, full or partial shadow. If you are trying to match paint, even assuming the photo color is accurate, which color in the photo do you use?




M-3 Lee Medium Tank at Ft. Knox, KY June 1942


Close up of M-3 Lee Medium Tank at Ft. Knox, KY June 1942


Another problem with vintage photos is dust. The vehicle may be fully or partially obscured by a layer of dust so the reflected light has more to do with the local earth tone than with the vehicle paint. For example, the photo on the left shows an M-3 Lee Medium Tank during maneuvers at Ft. Knox, KY in June 1942. From that photo you might think the tank color is tan. But a close up (right) shows quite clearly its a very dusty Lustreless Olive Drab tank.

Reality of Olive Drab Military Vehicle Paint

If your objective is to reproduce the olive drab paint for a WW II vehicle, then the above information leads you to paint identified as Lustreless Olive Drab Enamel, aka OD#22 or OD#9. Virtually all WW II vehicles were painted with Lustreless Olive Drab Enamel. You can also use paint identified as A/N 319 which is quite similar in appearance. After WW II, the standard for most vehicles moved to semi-gloss and OD 2430 was used until 1956 after which the very similar OD 24087 remained in use until camo was adopted in 1975.

The problem is that the modern paint can may have these numbers on it, but how do you know the paint is the right color, shade and gloss like your vehicle had in the 1940s or 1950s? In fact, you don't know.


WC-54 3/4 ton ambulances at WW II Air Corps Base, Sudbury U.K. showing different shades of what should be Lustreless Olive Drab
WC-54 3/4 ton ambulances at WW II Air Corps Base, Sudbury U.K. showing different shades of what should be Lustreless Olive Drab.

Even during WW II, paint from different manufacturers or different batches from the same manufacturer did not always match. Despite the best efforts of inspectors at the paint manufacturer and at the vehicle factories, there are eyewitness accounts and photos that document multiple color shades on identical vehicles from the same factory. They are similar, but when seen side by side they are not the same. Therefore, it should not be surprising that sixty years later there is less than complete agreement on what these colors should be.

Some of the modern paint manufacturers have made sincere efforts to research and experiment with the paints to get as close as possible to "WW II olive drab." Untouched panels from original vehicles are available and occasionally an unopened can of paint from WW II will show up for comparison. Of course, the passage of time changes chemicals like paint and any paint exposed to light will fade. Different paints, even if originally the same color, will fade to different colors. So any of these matching techniques are ultimately subjective.

So what to do? The best advice for a restoration is to go to military vehicle events sponsored by MVPA chapters or other organizations. While there, carefully review the vehicles to find one that looks like the result you would like to achieve. Talk to the owner to find out the vehicle's history, how it was prepped, what paint was used for the top coat and how it was applied. That is, find a successful recipe and copy it.

The Olive-Drab.com Supplier Database has most of the companies who specialize in paint for restoring military vehicles. Search for "paint" at the linked page or go here for supplier search help.

Olive Drab Military Vehicle Paint Information Resources

Appendix 2 of David Doyle's Standard Catalog of U.S. Military Vehicles has extensive information on the history and evolution of olive drab paint as well as the later camouflage patterns. This referece also includes details of the markings (stars, registration numbers, unit designation) used during World War II and later.

Technical Bulletin TB 746-93-1, Color and Marking of Military Vehicles, is reproduced in part on the M38A1.com web site. This US manual is dated 26 October 1964 and gives the correct lettering, star positions and so forth for the markings used at that time, post-WW II and pre-camo patterns. Military Modelling Magazine has an excellent article by Steve Zaloga on getting the 'right' color of Olive Drab, originally published in 2002, available at the linked page.

The November/December 1998 issue of Military Vehicles Magazine carries in-depth information on painting in general and camo pattern painting in particular along with tips on canvas care and maintenance
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